This topic is for open discussion of hardware limits in the World Computer Chess Championship.
For reference, I attach the letters of David Levy to this message:
- Third message of David Levy, inviting discussion:
David Levy wrote: The ICGA would like to invite all chess programmers and members of their
teams to discuss the "8-cores" issue in the ICGA forum.
The URL is http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/phpBB3/
Rémi Coulom, who is the Programmers' Representative on the ICGA executive,
has started the discussion with the following topic:
http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/p ... ?f=15&t=66
We hope for a lively exchange of views on the 8-cores issue, preparing the
way for a face-to-face meeting of all interested parties during the 2009
World Computer Chess Championship (May 11th-18th).
In regard to the precise wording of the rules for 2009, the ICGA would
encourage you to discuss your thoughts on the details of the rule. This is
NOT an invitation to support or oppose the idea of 8-cores for 2009, since
that decision has alreday been made. It is invitation to help refine the
rule in a pracical and fair manner.
- Are your for or against the hardware limit ?
- How can the limit be enforced in practice ?
- Should remote play be allowed ?
- What change in the WCCC can bring more participants ?
Programmers who wish to be counted as being openly against the hardware limit (either by saying it here, or by private e-mail to me):
- Vasik Rajlich
- Vincent Diepeveen
- Gian-Carlo Pascutto
- Zach Wegner
- Munjong Kolss
- Richard Pijl
- Gerd Isenberg
- Mark Uniacke
- It has been a long tradition in the WCCC to have no limit, since its first edition in 1974. With hardware limits, the tournament should be called WMCCC.
- The history of the WCCC is full of victories of microcomputers over supercomputers. It is extremely difficult to actually take advantage of non-conventional computing power.
- An 8-core limit requires hardware inspection. It cannot be done with remote play.
- It won't make hardware even anyways. Top over-clocked 8-core machines cost more than small clusters with more than 8 cores. The only solution for fair hardware would be uniform platform provided by the organizers.
- Announcing a change in the rules 5 months before the tournament is too late, especially since some participants have already started to invest into making a cluster version of their programs.
- Some spectators find it more interesting to watch a tournament with non-conventional hardware
- It makes it impossible for interesting machines such as FPGA (Hydra) to participate
- One should not be able to buy the title with superior hardware.
- Chess programs are already stronger than the strongest humans.
- Some spectators find it more interesting to watch a tournament on even hardware
- Customers of commercial software want to see the program run on the machine they have at home
- Trust participants with remote hardware.
- Force local play, and hardware inspection.
- What about FPGA, graphic cards, hyperthreading, Playstations ?
- A shorter tournament lasting a few days. Some suggest more rounds per day, others prefer slow games with less rounds.
- Live internet coverage of the games
- No entry fees, or at least the same entry fee for commercial/amateur competitors.
- Some tournaments held in North America
- More travel incentives as previously used before, but announced well in advance in order for people to make arrangements.
- Hold the tournament during the summer holidays
- Not give incentives to operators in order to encourage the programmers to show up.